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11th July 2011, 13:30 |
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I tried to compare the effectiveness TNI-AU purchase 6 F-16 Block 52 (new) and receive 24 F-16 Block 15 (Grant)... US consider to upgrade 'the F-16 grant' to Block 32, but thats not for free.. Indonesia have to pay the upgrade cost.. so, i really wondering which one is more effective? especially for our budgeting... for now and for future.. I mentioned our neighboring countries didn't intend to compare F-16 to their First Row... I understand thats not equally objective.. I just think, if RSAF, RMAF, and RTAF strengthen their First Row, Why don't we purchase F-16 Block 52 in order to make F-16 get near to their First Row Fighter Aircraft ... in some country like Poland, F-16 block 52 is their First Row Fighter Aircraft. |
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11th July 2011, 13:58 |
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Its a subjective matter, either to have 6 unit of Block 52 or to have 24 block 15? what can I say is simple, 1. Go for block 52 if US allowed TNIAU to have AIM120C BVRAAM. 6 unit of block 52 with BVRAAM more deadly if compare to 24 unit of block 15 without BVRAAM. Why, having F16 with BVRAAM will make those a/c in the first row air fleet, since Su27/30 doesnt have modern BVRAAM i.e R77. 2. Go for block 15 if no AIM10C BVRAAM, or in other words if US allowed TNIAU to get WVRAAM / SRAAM only. why, since the F16 only using WVRAAM, those a/c will be in second fleet of TNIAU..although Sukhois also doesnt have BVRAAM, but the radar for Sukhois are more superior compare to Block 15. So, if the budget permitted (ada ongkosnya) and US allowed, better to has 6 F16 Block 52, although limited in number (only six as you said) but more superior compare to Block 15 F16. More over, in now a days, in conventional war, we would not to sent all our a/c to attack enemy, just few of it in any series of engagment. If not, and US dont allowed, better to stick on the Hibbah program. At least TNIAU has the a/c. Agreed on you, Polish people still using F16 Block 52 since their a/c were armed to teeth (AIM120C7 if not mistaken). And more over, their style of air engangement and doctrine is diferent from us, since their geographical and sea boundries not same as we in this asean region.. |
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Last edited by vympel; 11th July 2011 at 14:01.. |
11th July 2011, 14:47 |
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what about you Mr.vympel, do you think US will allow indonesia get AIM-120C?? if i'm not mistaken, RTAF, RMAF and RSAF already have the AIM-120, right?? so i think it's not very difficult to get US permission for AIM-120C... so the only problem left is budget. |
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11th July 2011, 20:42 |
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Yes Mr Large.bathers, ammo is the main issu and main strength for any a/c. Without it, nothing else usefull (radar, jammer and so on). In my mind, personally, US already done the hibbah program, giving 24 unit of a/c in block 15, thus, to have AIM120C BVRAAM, those a/c, at least 12 of it must be upgrade to block 30/52 to ensure the a/c will be able to have the BVR capabilities. So the issue are, 1. To update the F16 to block 30 or 52 to ensure the BVRAAM gadget put on it (better radar and so on). 2. To buy the AIM120C BVRAAM misile from US (Boeing must have a clearance from US congress). So, both of the program will involve money. If TNIAU stick to block 15 which is capabilities on SRAAM (short range air to air misile) or WVRAAM (within visual range), so the cost is lesser. So, i believe, once US done the hibbah program, they will be able to sell the AIM120C BVRAAM (do you how much it is the BVR, even RTAF and RMAF with good budget only have no more than 40 unit of C5), the issue is how TNIAU and Indonesian Gov playing the role to push US to sell the C5.. * Only RSAF has a good number of BVR in C7. RTAF still depending on C5 BVRAAM meanwhile RMAF depending on two type which is AIM120C5 and R77 / R27 medium range. |
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Last edited by vympel; 12th July 2011 at 21:21.. |
12th July 2011, 03:05 |
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because in fact, indonesia have to upgrade the hibbah program (To block 32) which is we need to allocate the budget for that. both program (hibbah and purchase the new one) for sure will involve huge money, but the question is which one is good for now and for future?? |
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Last edited by large.bathers; 12th July 2011 at 03:14.. |
12th July 2011, 21:18 |
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Vypmel can provide R77 to TNIAU without any limation, just pay them and you get the missile. Comparing to have AIM120C5, TNIAU will have the dificulities in buying in (in term of congress agreement) and the number (unit) of the misile (if permitted by the US congress) will be an issue since not only the permission to sell need to get from them, but the quantity of the missile also an issue. If I am the head of Indonesian Gov, within the budget allocate to buy new F16 and BVR Misile..what will I do is to.. 1. instead of tyring to get AIM120C from western block, I prefer to get R77 vympel BVRAAM, R27 MRAAM and R37 SRAAM. With Russian, there is no limitation on the number/quantity..you will get what you paid. 2. Then, I will accept the hibbah program and the budget to buying 6 new brand F16 will be used to upgrade some of the a/c (from the hibbah program) and the balance I will get AIM9X for each a/c. With this action, my Sukhois are armed to teeth, and my F16 also upgraded with better version and of course, with misile. thus, TNIAU will have the long range warfare via Sukhois and WVR range warfare via F16, so the budget is well used and all a/c (both Russian and Western) will get the benefit..not only for the western a/c only. To me, its far more better. What is the main purpose to TNIAU is to ensure the Sukhs get a good armed and well armed, not just thinking of getting new a/c from western and one day, the issue of no BVR, or no misile will be come accross in our mind. |
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Last edited by vympel; 12th July 2011 at 21:29.. |
20th July 2011, 14:08 |
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Pay the money to them, the send the R77 BVRAAM to TNIAU. Simple..no limitation on Congress permission and so on.. |
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